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"Is Global Warming finally proven wrong?"

Original Opinion by Vultren (85)

I mean look at the Mid West and East Coast, record Winter storms and cold streaks during an El Nino year. Where has Al Gore gone? What about the Emails send by Global Warming officials? Is the Liberal propaganda finally over?

Responses

"I have a few problems with your supposition..." by JamesBufkin (25)

Firstly, what's with the loaded question?

"Loaded question, also known as complex question, presupposition, "trick question", or plurium interrogationum (Latin, "of many questions"), is an informal fallacy or logical fallacy. It is committed when someone asks a question that presupposes something that has not been proven or accepted by all the people involved. This fallacy is often used rhetorically, so that the question limits direct replies to be those that serve the questioner's agenda."

Hopefully knowing this definition will prevent you from committing this logical fallacy again.
Secondly, I'd like to know what your understanding of climate and climatology are. Weather is an isolated event at a certain point in time, Climate on the other hand is weather over a long period of time. Based on this definition it can be determined that climate change means a difference in the weather pattern within a certain time frame. based on this and your statement "...I mean look at the Mid West and East Coast, record Winter storms and cold streaks during an El Nino year..." I think it can be surmised that you agree climate change is occurring, why else would you seem so indignant about the seemingly odd weather? Or maybe I'm reading too much into invalid statements? Also, Al Gore is not the spokesperson for climate change nor have I heard anything about him for the past year so I don't think he factors in.

Thirdly, the Global Warming emails thing was blown out of proportion and made to look sinister and conspiratorial by a combination of climate change deniers and the media. It has little to no bearing on the science and research done in this field.

Lastly, I'd like to say that I'm personally still on the fence on this issue. But I can't stand ignorance or willful intellectual dishonesty, that's why I choose to defend the climate change position in this case. I suggest you do some more research on your own, perhaps look up some scientific studies or data and then see if the logical fallacies and arguments of the denial side of the issue stand up to real, scientific scrutiny.

Source(s):

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Loaded_question

"James" by WIz766 (11)

It seems to me you spent more time attacking Vultren and how he asked a question then trying to answer it...?

"Well..." by Vultren (85)

About the emails, I have no clue about how those are out of proportion, it was pretty simple. They were sent by high officials in the Global Warming scam.

"where's the profit?" by Gaelin (85)

there is no logical reason that the scientific community would attempt to fool the public into believing a "global warming scam". they would get no profit whatsoever out of doing so. global warming denial however, does have a motive to make denials: if we stop using oil, many of these people stand to lose a great deal of money.

"The profit is in government grants." by FreeRoamer (42)

Through the belief in global warming, some scientists have a job. However this doesn't automatically mean that global warming is a lie. Personally I am not sure. I hate to stand middle of the fence on this issue but I haven't seen the evidence for myself, nor its sources, so I feel unqualified to make a conclusion about this issue. However I do know that regardless of whether or not global warming is real, we still need some environmental protections in place so that we have clean air, water, etc.

"true." by Gaelin (85)

also, even if global warming is infact a big scam we should still be trying to stop using gasoline and oil so as to eliminate our dependence on the middle east.

"Actually is it provable" by Teddyroosevelt (45)

There literally dozens of pieces of evidence that ses green house gases do cause global warming and it's actually fairly easy to prove if you look at Venus the planet closest to us it's basically a hell because it had a run away green house effect also we can prove that a few million years ago the planet was much hotter due to green house gas. The only debatable thing is how are planet responds to rising temperatures and if it can bounce back mind you a bounce back implies thousands of years of hotter temperatures I have herd a russian scientist argue rising greenhouse gases to be a good thing for argiculture at least for Russia I'd imagine